by tenpelNovember 30, 20147:00 pm

@IndyHack

Update Dec 3, 2014

@IndyHack who harasses, defames and harms under the guise of human rights rhetoric on Twitter and on his “arebuddhistsracist.com” site the Dalai Lama, scholars, Buddhist monks and the Tibetans – including Tibetan Shugden practitioners:

This is Jamyang Khedrup’s final statement to your activities regarding him

My friend who is in IT sent me this message that seems to help to clarify that I am not behind @manjushriNL:

My feeling is that the person behind @manjsuhriNL is related to Rigpa Amsterdam, see:

– http://twt168688.preyb.com/manjushrinl.25471990.html
– https://twitter.com/manjushriNL/status/455588140024352768/photo/1 and
– http://www.totally.me/hashtag/meditatie

I think this person will never react on Twitter and that’s a shame.

75Comments

Add yours

1

Khedrup on November 30, 2014 at 7:34 pm
Reply

Thanks for posting this Tenzin.
I challenge IndyHack to produce evidence I am behind said twitter accounts. I have never even BEEN to the University of Amsterdam. I am not some mover and shaker! Surely no one of sound mind can believe the fact that since @manjushriNL has posted from Holland and I live in Holland, we must be the same person.
Is this investigative journalism?
Secondly, it is 18 years ago I attended NKT for a few months, not 16 (typo).
Thirdly, I also questioned NKT members posting reviews for books they didn’ read on Amazon. That is the EXTENT OF MY INVOLVEMENT.
My main interest was just to correct lies about HH, the situation at Sera, and provide opportunities for former NKT and Kechara members to connect with other lamas and continue with their studies of Buddhism.
IndyHack, produce evidence or stop these false allegations.
This is not only wrong, it is illegal. It is also ironic than when I pull away from this controversy I am lied about and bullied by anonymous NKT twitter accounts.
- 2
  
  tenpel on November 30, 2014 at 8:53 pm
  Reply
  
  I fear s/he is just a troll who gets his/her satisfaction from hurting and disturbing others. If others feel harassed I fear s/he will take delight in this and it will increase his/her energy …
  
  I think IndyHack is a very poor soul, maybe a lost, wounded and hurt soul who covers the own pain by bringing pain to others … or just a person who takes delight in harming others, lacking any sense of shame, respect or compassion.
  
  I am very sorry that you are harassed by him/her!
  Sadly, besides posting your post and encouraging to use legal means, I fear I cannot do more than this.
3

Khedrup on November 30, 2014 at 8:00 pm
Reply

I really wish IndyHack and the NKT twitter machine could leave me alone to get on with my life, I am trying to limit my engagement in this controversy. Is that really too much to ask? No personal attacks without evidence?
- 4
  
  Namkhah on November 30, 2014 at 10:08 pm
  Reply
  
  Thank you for all your contributions, Khedrup. Its a shame some people resort to bullying tactics when someone is perceived as opposing them.
  Tashi Delegs
  - 5
    
    buy rayban on December 2, 2014 at 5:37 pm
    Reply
    
    Thank you for all your contributions, Khedrup. Its a shame some people resort to bullying tactics when someone is perceived as opposing them.
    Tashi Delegs
6

joanneclark7 on November 30, 2014 at 11:21 pm
Reply

It is too bad that you are being harassed, Khedrup! But you only have to read the excrement this individual writes to know that he/she is not balanced and lacks boundaries and basic human decency. In that respect it is not surprising– and it might be too much to ask him/her to change. I suspect he/she is on something of a self-destruct path.
7

Khedrup on November 30, 2014 at 11:28 pm
Reply

I will stay true to my word and not post further on the Shugden controversy. However, indy’s lies could not go unanswered. Ironic as he mentionedin another thread on here that he disagreed with character assassinationand revealing identities without evidence. Because I Know I am not lying about NOT knowing who runs the two twitter accounts he complains about, I would be THRILLED if the people behind those accounts would come forward, or reach out to twitter so I can be cleared of these ridiculous allegations.
- 8
  
  tenpel on November 30, 2014 at 11:52 pm
  Reply
  
  Thank you Khedrup for all your help, clarifications and efforts and your good motivation.
  We received a lot of very important and useful information from you no other source was willing to share with us!
  Thank you for your courage and determination and your compassion for those who are so badly damaged by the New Kadampa Tradition.
  
  Beings are messed up in the NKT and over time they loose any ethical compass – this includes adult men such as Kelsang Khyenrab who are totally unreasonable and accuse others of lying just because others don’t accept and oppose their wrong views, accusations and claims. Adult men in NKT and the NKT leadership make themselves fools and behave more stupid than children.
  
  When we studied the Abhisamayalamkara a topic which came up was that of avoiding to have a crooked mind. When I studied it, it reminded me of my own crooked mind when I was following the NKT.
  A crooked mind is the true realization of those following the NKT. Its the result of allowing the sectarian poison and wrong views to enter the own mind and to poison the own heart. IndyHack is an example of such a person, a person with a crooked mind.
  
  What these NKT victims, who are also the victims of their own mind poisons and their lack of courage, indirectly teach is not to become like them and to follow the path of honesty, sincerity, dignity and integrity. Just as you are doing it.
  
  We wish you all the best and send you light and love.
9

tenpel on December 1, 2014 at 1:14 am
Reply

Just detected that someone is abusing my name to harass you:
https://twitter.com/TenzinPeljor

I will complain to twitter.
10

tenpel on December 1, 2014 at 1:38 am
Reply

Cyber bullying is a crime, please report the abuse of these accounts and the bullying against Khedrup to twitter:
https://support.twitter.com/forms/abusiveuser

https://twitter.com/IndyHack/status/539101049890820096
https://twitter.com/TenzinPeljor/status/538664687786008576
11

TDAMDUL on December 1, 2014 at 2:08 am
Reply

This REVEALS the nature of this group!
Their ACTIONS are unravelling their Lies, Deceit, Hypocracy and PURE Hate.
Khedrup has been just himself – spoken/testified with Courage as who he is .
IndyHack has shown herself/himself as one big COWARD.
- 12
  
  tenpel on December 1, 2014 at 2:22 am
  Reply
  
  True.
  
  I created an own Twitter account to at least point out these bad minded bullying tactics. I also sent three notes to twitter.
  
  Someone stole my identity under @TenzinPeljor and harasses & slanders with @IndyHack a Buddhist monk. #StopBullying pic.twitter.com/r3zNonNqrT
  
  — Tenzin Peljor (@PeljorTenzin) December 1, 2014
13

TDAMDUL on December 1, 2014 at 6:54 am
Reply

DEVIOUS is the word that comes to my mind.
And yes, because you 2 have used your true IDs…..& have back bones
14

john6747 on December 1, 2014 at 9:33 am
Reply

Not quite on topic but … http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/11/the-menace-of-memes-how-pictures-can-paint-a-thousand-lies/
15

Khedrup on December 1, 2014 at 10:58 am
Reply

I am not @OpTsampa or @manjushriNL on twitter. If those accounts have “harassed” Shugden posters they should simply report the offending posts to Twitter to delete them or even have the accounts frozen. If there is a legal issue they can contact the police. I am NOT afraid as the accounts are not mine.

IndyHack and the other twitter accounts have ZERO evidence behind the allegations they make. I wonder where IndyHack heard them. My guess is the NKT is fighting this campaign together with unsavoury characters whose tactics are dirtier than theirs. Indeed, NKT believes itself to be a Buddhist organization and some of the recent things are so out there I don’t think they believe in their hearts they are acceptable.
They must think I am a borderline genius to run such an active twitter account, a campaign, post here, and do my job as a translator.
This whole thing is merely “payback” for my outspokenness on this Shugden issue, by attempting to intimidate me with my personal information (despite the fact I am searchable online and have never hid my identity). Perhaps false flags are next. Or terrible allegations like those made regarding other monks on ds.com. I don’t know perhaps they will say that I supplement my income with arms sales or other such ridiculousness. They seem capable of anything.
They need to ask themselves, though, how long can you make unsubstantiated allegations before completely losing your credibility. What is the karma of that?
Those in the NKT need to ask themselves who they are working with and what kind of tactics they find acceptable. If this is the standard it is shockingly low.
IndyHack put forth the evidence or stop the harassment please. If the accounts you mentioned truly sent harassing tweets i WOULD WELCOME a twitter investigation. It would easily prove your allegations false and give NKT members who support your campaign pause for thought. As it seems your “research” before posting allegations is more and more flimsy.
16

AN Other on December 1, 2014 at 3:23 pm
Reply

Remember JK these are the same people who turned a post by Thurman asking how to appeal to Anonymous to take a look into the NKT/ISC in OCTOBER 2014 [HA! someone beat him to it-https://whyweprotest.net/threads/new-kadampa-tradition.116775/-Anonymous are already watching], followed a few days later by someone unknown [iNDY? False Flag?] suggesting they would offer bitcoins to link together the most false accounts run by Indy and his friends [even an ICT nobody can easily work out that the ‘voice of truth’ Indy is running a significant number of false accounts-its an old NKT internet tactic] into ‘LAMAGATE’ the ridiculous attempt to portray this whole utter non-event as the ‘scandal of epic proportions’ involving the Dalai Lama [who was nothing to do with it and was nowhere to be seen] and Thurman [who simply asked how to get Anonymous involved-not illegal] attempting to solicit computer hacking for money????
THESE PEOPLE ARE CLEARLY COMPLETELY OFF THE PLANET and have NO moral compass
Indy and friends are working wonders for HH because their tactics are becoming so unbridled and immoral that even the layman can smell a rat here. It s easy for cowards like this to hide behind the lack of ISP legislation-LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE TAKE THIS UP WITH TWITTER/FACEBOOK. where legislation does exist. I look forward to learning Indys identity and passing this to Thurman who clearly has a substantial claim against Indy and, by his associations [see facebook followers eg] the NKT itself. This should cost them MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!
- 17
  
  tenpel on December 1, 2014 at 3:46 pm
  Reply
  
  Their own actions point out what they are: fools with a crooked mind. Like Devadatta, they reveal their own nature without that others have to do that for them and people will understand what they are. As Geshe-la (Kelsang Gyatso) said:
  
  I hope people gradually understand our true nature and function.
  
  Yes, your wishes come true 😉
18

joanneclark7 on December 1, 2014 at 3:38 pm
Reply

Indy Hack is anonymous. Khedrup is Khedrup. The Dalai Lama is the Dalai Lama. Both Khedrup and the Dalail Lama are two of the most transparent people I know. Both have nothing to hide. Indy Hack inhabits a dark, polluted world where transparency is no longer known, where there is much to hide. Once you start trying to prove that the Dalai Lama is not who he is, then the floor tilts and you inhabit a new world. It’s very sad.
19

Khedrup on December 1, 2014 at 5:03 pm
Reply

Yes, I always use Khedrup to post any my name and photo are easy to find via the internet. I have no criminal record, have not committed any crimes, so really there is nothing to fear. I thought that identity transparency would appeal to the sense of decency of NKT/ISC activists and lead them to choose to counter my arguments or debate rather than making personal attacks or using intimidation.
One of the people who first alerted me to these lies about me running those Twitter accounts is themselves e-NKT, and always described the membership as made up of mostly decent people. They were shocked that so many NKT Twitter accounts simply re-tweeted IndyHack’s allegations without asking him what evidence there was, or if it was right to target someone is such a manner based on solely innuendo.
IH PLEASE consult Twitter or the Police, they will clear me of any involvement with @manjushriNL and @OpTsampa twitter accounts.. Indeed, if your allegations against Bob Thurman were true, how is it he still isn’t indicted, despite your recruiting hundreds of NKT members to file complaints against him via the FBI website?
Hearsay and innuendo are not evidence. I have asked you to report this to Twitter or the Police, so I can be exonerated of this ridiculousness. Why is it you are willing to make accusations but never follow them up? Is your modus operandi simply intimidation and character defamation?
And on that note, once again stopping blog comments.
But IH’s lies about me were so blatant and damaging I had to respond. I do not take illegal internet harassment. identity theft or character assassination lightly. If you can’t win the argument, don’t resort to lies and innuendos. It isn’t Buddhist.
- 20
  
  Indy Hack on December 2, 2014 at 8:41 am
  Reply
  
  Dear Khedrup,
  
  Clearly your “friend” has been somewhat slower in informing you about my tweets as you seem unaware of my reply to your allegations against me.
  
  You can read the reply here: /* … */
  
  Since you are so interested in the truth perhaps you can tell me what the lies are that you accuse me of. In particular you claim that my lies about you, “were so blatant and damaging I had to respond.”
  
  What lies have I published about you?
  
  Since you are so concerned about defamation and character assassination perhaps you can cite specific instances where I have lied about you, harassed you, intimidated you, or made unsubstantiated allegations against you.
  
  It’s interesting that when I tweet with “@manjushriNL” in the text you respond on this blog within 15 minutes, yet when I tweet without that name in the text you don’t notice the tweet and I have to post here to draw your attention to it.
  
  I await your explanation or your apology and retraction of these allegations.
  
  Regards,
  
  Indy
  
  /* … */ – The website link was removed by the blog owner on Dec 7th, 2014 08:13pm to not support the harassing tactics of Indy Hack.
  - 21
    
    tenpel on December 2, 2014 at 10:37 am
    Reply
    
    Indy Hack just two brief points:
    
    1) With respect to myself, please remove the wrong accusation that I took images of the protesters and gave it to the CTA who – according to your fantasy or belief – used it for their Shugden protesters list. This is totally untrue. If you don’t remove it from the website and your twitter tweeds, this would only indicate the fact that your main aim is to slander and not to educate people as you wrongly want people make to believe.
    
    2) Another example of your fantasy and bad intentions is with respect to the Dalai Lama: What has the Dalai Lama to do with a twitter post of Thurman? Where is there a #lamagate?
    
    These are just two quick examples which come to my mind having glanced through your site and twitter account. Such false claims and inventions out of thin air have nothing to do with “journalism” or even “scientific approach”. Its untrue slander, invention or deliberate lies and misinformation. What have you to say to this?
    
    I await your explanation or your apology and retraction of these allegations.
  - 22
    
    tenpel on December 2, 2014 at 10:55 am
    Reply
    
    another quick point; I just glanced through your intellectual self-defensive stunt you linked above …; as you say “Usually when someone is defensive they are trying to hide the truth.” You are self-defensive while Kehdrup just asked you to remove wrong allegations for which you don’t have any evidence.
    
    If you are a journalist please explain with respect to these three quick examples I gave what were the scientific and journalistic methods to verify your claims or assertions? What exactly is here “research” and “scientific”? If you establish or repeat rumors or lies is this “research” and “scientific”? What are the established facts that can be proven to be true and accurate with respect to these three examples also by any third party?
    
    I await your explanation or your apology and retraction of these allegations.
    
    Spreading rumors or lies to denounce others and creating “scandals” and “controversies” where there are none out of thin air is neither journalism nor research nor scientific. It’s harassment and slander.
    
    I await your explanation or your apology and retraction of these allegations.
  - 23
    
    Khedrup on December 2, 2014 at 11:12 am
    Reply
    
    Dear indy,
    
    apologies for typos, cooking in the kitchen so this is from my tablet.
    
    there was no delay in responding, it took time because Tenzin also has to approve comnents on the blog, I also habe to sleep and work in between dealing with this mess. If you like, you can give me an anonymous email address where I can send you the message I received from a friend regarding the Twitter account, toprove I was notified via message. If you are intetested in investigating. Also, it was not 15 mins to respond I think but 1hr 15 mins, there is a time difference.
    
    my friendvhas told me this meme was on twitter under an account with only 4 tweets on it for several months, but I did not think it was being circulated.
    
    You published lies about me being behind the @opTsampa and @manjushriNL accounts in the meme that is circulating on twitter.
    
    The lie published is my photo with name, and allegations that I run those accounts. This is not true, and I explain above I welcome a twitter explanation into who is the owners of those accounts.
    
    As I do not run those accounts, to continue saying I do so is untruthful. Your point is that you retweeted those memes asking for information. If this is indeed the case, why do you circulate thode memes via twitter? In terms of the harassment, my photo being plastered with baseless allegations fits the definition of harassment. Please post the tweets from @manjushriNL that are offensive and report them to Twitter, so they can investigate
    
    how can we move forward? Not sure. If ypu state the allegations are unsubstantiated and you await a proper investigation from authorities before again circulating those tweets, I am very happy to send a note to your website “IndyHack states he is not responsible for the tweets with the unproven allegations, and merely retweeted them. Hence I apologize for holding him responsible for the creation of those memes, and should have addressed my concerns to the people who first circulated them.”
    
    in terms of the harassment at my workplace, for this I must offer an apology as the staffmember who handles our publicity told me the harassing tweets were from one of the kelsangs, not from you.
    
    This whole business is surprising as I had withdrawn from all discussion on this controversy (after the theft of my identity that took place on this website, and that you yourself commented was inappropriate).
    
    So, how can we move forward? I would really like to withdraw from this controversy. If you stop circulating or retweeting the meme that contained the false accusations, we can move forward in good faith, and you can let me know which passages of the above letter you object to and i can request Tenzin to change them.
    
    I am really happy to have a reasonable discussion about this, as I want out of all involvement in this controversy that has turned so nasty. So, can we dialogue and work together to resolve this confusion? I am not an unreasonable person and would like to believe we can come to an agreement.
    
    Where can I contact you?
    - 24
      
      Khedrup on December 2, 2014 at 11:22 am
      Reply
      
      In short, I welcome a full investigayion into @manjushriNL and @optsampa, so I can be cleared. If you can help me do that by requesting Twitter to investigate, I would be over the moon.
      
      One of the memes states @manjushriNL is posted from the University of Amsterdam. I live 2 hours train journey away from Amsterdam and only go there on Wednesdays to translate. This shpuld at least give you pause in terms of believing I am behind said account.
      
      in the meantime, I ask you not to circulate the accusations in the absence of investigatory evidence. I can certainly clarify if you like that I was mistaken that you created the memes. Are you willing to dialogue and investgate?
      - 25
        
        tenpel on December 2, 2014 at 12:19 pm
        Reply
        
        If you check his twitter account he is only using the communications to feed his twitter account and website with new content abusing your person and name.
        
        Interestingly IndyHack has now removed the origin tweed about you but created new tweeds (together with the images) to make people even more aware of your person. It appears he made his origin tweed on the 30th Nov and the fake / stolen identity account of @TenzinPeljor tweeted the wrong accusations against you on Nov 29. So, here it seems IH spoke the truth when he said: “The image in question had been tweeted by @TenzinPeljor at 12:04pm on November 29th 2014. I was informed about it the following day and posted two tweets.”
        
        However, if you look more closely, also a concerted effort to denounce you and me skillfully together or to divide us could be behind those two tweeds. IndyHack and his friends can run (and there are) multiple anonymous accounts that feed each other and that appear as followers of each other to lend more creditability and weight and to support each other with slander and baseless claims and spins …
        
        26
        
        Noname on December 2, 2014 at 4:28 pm
        Reply
        
        Remember folks, this is no longer the realm of logic and morality. Inter Alia Indy is a manipulator of epic proportions, someone willing to lie, exaggerate, harass, troll, attack maliciously, and all in the name of truth/ dharma. Expecting moral behaviour from such a person is like milking a potato. In other words you’re wasting time and would be better off using the energy reporting him to twitter for trolling
        
        27
        
        Dorje on December 2, 2014 at 9:26 pm
        
        I actually think people like indy hack have been manipulated by others like the fake geshe who teaches a version of dogyal worship completely at odds with its violent history and sectarian doctrine. If you divorce anything from its context advising against it or for it or anything makes no sense. Indy has simply been misled and now speaks with astonishing ignorance and imperialist cultural arrogance. Sad but the man (and people) behind indy is a joke.
        
        28
        
        tenpel on December 2, 2014 at 10:22 pm
        
        True.
        
        But also IndyHack has responsibility. IH is responsible how much s/he allows others to manipulate him/her. Also how much you keep your ethical compass and listen to your inner intuition is your own responsibility. Although these things are skillfully undermined by NKT, if you have a sense of honesty, some spiritual integrity, and appreciation and respect for the Dharma & Buddhist teachings you wouldn’t go easily as far as IndyHack is going. This lack of shame and respect must have also some basis in IndyHack. Compare him/her with Kadampa Ryan …
        
        29
        
        Indy Hack on December 2, 2014 at 10:38 pm
        
        *** Content of IndyHack deleted by blog owner. ***
        
        Comment by blog owner
        
        Please correct your wrong accusations and spin of the facts first before you come up with new accusations and spin of the facts in which you accuse me of not keeping my vows (insinuating wrongly I had lied).
        
        I also said already goodbye …
    - 30
      
      Indy Hack on December 2, 2014 at 4:55 pm
      Reply
      
      Dear Khedrup,
      
      You are always welcome to contact me, I think you know how, if you don’t then it’s not too hard to find out how to here: http://www.arebuddhistsracist.com
      
      You could of course have contacted me before, rather than deciding to publish an appeal letter, which seems a little drastic. Quite why you decided to appeal against my use of this image yet didn’t appeal against over 100 other Twitter users tweeting of this image is something I’d be interested in understanding.
      
      In terms of timestamps maybe Tenzin can explain how the timestamp on his blog works.
      
      Tenzin, you are welcome to explain how we can establish if you were photographing protesters in Frankfurt or not.
      
      However, given the paranoid tone of the discussions here and the delightful ways in which you describe my trade I don’t hold out hope for much. In order to move forward there has to be some room in which to move.
      
      Regards,
      
      Indy
      - 31
        
        tenpel on December 2, 2014 at 8:42 pm
        Reply
        
        IH, you turn the facts upside down. Based on your fantasy and bad intentions you wrongly claim that I had “assist[ed] with Tibetan state surveillance”. Now you twist your wrong claim to if or if not I were taking photographs of the protesters (of course I did – for the sole purpose to use it for my websites/blog).
        
        And this is just one of the many examples that demonstrate the real state of your pseudo-scientific, pseudo-journalist, and pseudo-research work. I agree with Noname:
        
        Indy is a manipulator of epic proportions, someone willing to lie, exaggerate, harass, troll, attack maliciously, and all in the name of truth/ dharma. Expecting moral behaviour from such a person is like milking a potato. In other words you’re wasting time and would be better off using the energy reporting him to twitter for trolling
        
        Goodbye. You had your chance to do it better. You missed it. Now stop to waste my and others’ time with idle gossip, empty words, lies and misinformation.
  - 32
    
    blueupali on December 2, 2014 at 8:21 pm
    Reply
    
    Hi, I’m just checking the timestamp. You don’t need to post my comment.
33

Khedrup on December 1, 2014 at 5:14 pm
Reply

FYI they (someone named Kelsang Dragpa)are now targeting me at the dharma centre where i work, sending tweets saying I slander Shugden Buddhism.
- 34
  
  Khedrup on December 2, 2014 at 5:31 am
  Reply
  
  Up early this morning and someone PMed me about IH’s response to my letter on his website.
  IndyHack at least did me the courtesy of writing a response to my allegations, but basically implied that I MUST be behind @manjushriNL as I stated he had “no evidence” for the allegations.
  For the record, I stated he has no evidence because he has no evidence. He said that people are normally willing to work with him to clear their names. If you read my letter to him above, you will note I offered to him several ways to contact me (so he could remain anonymous), even offering my IP address) to clarify I am not behind the accounts. He never contacted me, just continued to make insinuations about me online.
  AS for the point about legal action- yes when one’s identity is stolen (happened on this site, and also to Tenzin on Twitter), one has to consider that avenue.
  He says things may become clear through an investigation. I would welcome that. The investigation will show I am not involved with said Twitter accounts. Can I then expect an apology from IH or the people who make these accusations?
  In terms of my reacting quickly to the tweets proving I am on twitter this is ridiculous. I was notified about them by a friend. Also, IH says he is registered with the UK Journalists association. He should know UK is an hour ahead of Dutch time, and the time stamp here reflects that (TP’s site is run from Germany, whose time is also 1 hour behind the UK’s, same as Holland’s).
  This whole ordeal has been nervewracking as indeed my work has been targeted and others with no involvement in my critiques of Shugden are affected as well. It is hard to know what to do as I am “damned if I do” and “damned if I don’t”. IH implies that if people are not “guilty” they wouldn’t need to respond, but in fact also on the same website cites Columbia’s lack of reponse to his claims as an indication of guilt. It seems IndyHack’s premise is your are guilty merely by virtue of his accusations.
  I think now the best course of action is to stop responding and hope for an appeal to decency of the ordinary NKT folks who realize that without evidence the accusations made against me are really unfair and should not be re-posted. Put yourselves in my shoes, being accused baselessly and any attempts made to defend yourself are spun as well. I honestly hope that Twitter and the authorities do investigate, as this will show I tell the truth about not being involved in those accounts. Of course, my exoneration will not be news and I cannot expect apologies.
  IH refers to this affair as a tempest in a teacup. I agree, but a tempest of whose creation? I am the one whose photo, name, etc. were circulated on the internet with baseless accusations. I can only assume that IndyHack targets me because of my contributions to this blog, which included valuable information showing ISC’s allegations of homeless monks to be false.
  I hope that they have had their fun creating problems for me based on their false assumptions, and can now leave me alone. I would welcome respite from this mess, and indeed the past month had been trying to take one.
  - 35
    tenpel on December 2, 2014 at 11:27 am
    Reply
    
    IndyHack is a troll. He has no logic, no scientific method, no research and no journalistic approach. Journalists contact also the person they write about, confront that person with a claim and mention their stance on it (at least this is common practice in Germany and the US maybe in the UK journalists can write what ever comes to their mind). IndyHack violates different ethical principles of the organization he claims to be a member of, the National Union of Journalists:
    
    Strives to ensure that information disseminated is honestly conveyed, accurate and fair.
    
    IndyHack doesn’t do this (see my own case and those of Prof Barnett and Prof Hills for a start, but there is more of course …)
    
    Does her/his utmost to correct harmful inaccuracies.
    
    IndyHack never corrected harmful inaccuracies. See my own account and those of Prof Barnett and Prof Hills for a start and now also your own account …
    
    Differentiates between fact and opinion.
    
    IndyHack doesn’t do that which is evident just from the term “Tibetan State Surveillance” in my own case. But there are more mixings of facts and opinions like calling a reasonable religious rule a Human Rights violation and not allowing any different opinion than the own. Not to speak of creating “scandals” like “the #lamagate” out of thin air with no grain of truth in reality …
    
    Produces no material likely to lead to hatred or discrimination on the grounds of a person’s age, gender, race, colour, creed, legal status, disability, marital status, or sexual orientation.
    
    The whole approach of IndyHack is a character assassination campaign based on hostility, ignorance or hate against the Dalai Lama, against Tibetans and those who oppose the propaganda of IndyHack and the campaigning Western Shugden group.
    
    No journalist or researcher would take IndyHack seriously. Consequently IndyHack has never been quoted and will never be quoted by real journalists or academics (except as an example of bad behavior or to correct IndyHack’s slander). He has no power in any media, except on his self-created website and twitter account or in single man news outlets who need some sensationalist pieces to attract readers’ attention.
    
    Maybe we leave it with this and stop to feed the troll?
    - 36
      
      Dorje on December 2, 2014 at 2:25 pm
      Reply
      
      “maybe in the UK journalists can write what ever comes to their mind.”
      
      There’s no maybe about it. Not only do they completely fabricate ‘stories’ , they hack the voicemail messages of victims of serious crimes, such as the murdered teenager, Milly Dowler, and victims of terrorist attacks. They bribe public officials and pay public servants like the police for information, they entrap celebrities into situations with drugs and prostitution so they can get a story and ruin a career, they use private investigators, some of whom gace been connected to a murder where one man was hacked to death with an axe in a pub carpark.
      If indyhack had chosen to pose as a paedophile he would have given himself more credibility than posing as a journalist.
      - 37
        
        tenpel on December 2, 2014 at 2:57 pm
        Reply
        
        Thank you.
        
        I followed the media coverage of these scandals by the UK journalists … some or a majority of UK journalists seem to lack any ethical compass … this unites them with the NKT/ISC/IndyHack.
        
        I remember a discussion with writer Janne Teller who insisted on the importance of an inner moral compass writers (and journalists) should cultivate or possess because they have so much power over others. She pointed out that what in common social relations would be an exploitation of faith and unethical (like to reveal a very personal fact or thoughts to others that were shared based on confidentiality) is often been praised as “courage” by the public if a writer or journalist brings these personal things to public awareness, ignoring the confidentiality that formed the frame of sharing the information. We had recently a similar discussion with the thoughts of our former chancellor Helmuth Kohl, where the journalist decided against the will of Kohl to publish details in a book. These published details only provoked sensationalist greed, they brought harm to Kohl and others and the only benefactor of the publication was the journalist himself. Not even the public had a real benefit from this gossip. Narcissism and greed at its best …
  - 38
    
    tenpel on December 3, 2014 at 12:03 am
    Reply
    
    I just checked, the blog runs according to UK time (I was thinking it’s two hours behind German time but this was wrong).
    
    IH is trying to denounce you and waits for any possible fault to jump on that like a vampire in order to create a new story and to spin the facts according to his/her needs. I stopped approving his/her comments now because this discussion doesn’t lead us anywhere except feeding the troll and giving him/her new material to invent stories and to denounce others. I also updated the post above at the end. Twitter asked me to send my passport and is investigating into the identity theft account they set up under my name. I reported about 5 abusive posts to them too.
39

TDAMDUL on December 2, 2014 at 12:08 am
Reply

Why do SHUGEN worshippers Slander other Tibetan Traditions?
You have the works of the (recent) infamous YELLOW BOOK that point to it black & white.
At their peak of Political power Shugden worshippers HARASSED other Tibetan traditions – destroyed Padmasambhava’s images to dust; carried out something similar to modern day ‘apartheid’. (I am now using these very terms that dorjeshugden.com throws about without any hesitation).

It would help NKT members to study a bit about their ‘god’s’ evolution in History; instead of dismissing it as something ‘tibetan /cultural’. It just makes sense to research the ‘whys’ and ‘hows’.

(Tsem Tulku’s personal website has an interesting section on Ghosts/the paranormal! That info is also accepted by other Buddhist traditions – Theravada etc. It’s just not specific to Tibetan culture. However the glaring fact in questsion is what Tsem PROBABLY considers as Wisdom Buddha, most others consider a gyalpo ghost -usually a highly educated monk whose practice went wrong. Someone on this blog mentioned that he had some wordly success in practising this gyalpo. Well that is the point – ALL traditions use wordly deities (some gyalpos) for WORLDLY favours. But as far as I know actual PRACTICE is not about seeking favours/luck/sucess. Those might come by in the process of seeking refuge in 3 Jewels).

There is Wisdom as to why the 13th & 14th Dalai Lamas PROBIBITED this practice. (Not to mention members of most non Gelug traditions).
IF you are NOT a disciple of the Dalai Lamas then this ADVICE does not concern you..
Similarly Shugden PROHIBITS the worship of other Tibetan traditions. It used to be until recently that lay people never took part of ‘tsog’ offerings from other monastries. No one wants to talk of such things now…..
40

Diane on December 2, 2014 at 8:04 pm
Reply

Please do not approve this comment. It is just a test comment to see how the timestamp works. Sorry for any inconvenience caused.
41

tenpel on December 3, 2014 at 1:15 am
Reply

@ Khedrup: Twitter has suspended the identity theft account @TenzinPeljor. They seem to have delete also a tweed with private information about me. In two emails they confirmed this stating among others:

Thank you for providing this information. We have suspended the reported account for a violation of Twitter Rules (https://twitter.com/rules), specifically our rules regarding private information and private images posted on Twitter.

Best is you also write to twitter especially about IndyHack and how he abuses twitter to harass you. (I reported it but Twitter took the complaints about my person more seriously after they checked my ID with my passport which I uploaded for them based in their request.)

I deleted now my temporary twitter account because I never wanted to be on twitter …
- 42
  
  Khedrup on December 3, 2014 at 7:40 am
  Reply
  
  I don’t think it is worth it trying to reason with IndyHack. He has it in for me, and if I contact him via email he will have me email address which I would prefer he didn’t. AS I stated above, I responded here as soon as a friend who was watching my name online for strange activity notified me.
  All I stated was that I THOUGHT there was a time difference, my original words:
  Also, it was not 15 mins to respond I think but 1hr 15 mins, there is a time difference.
  
  Note the words I think, and the statement about there being a time difference (between countries). I think indicates that it is a hunch, but IH spins this into an elaborate deception.
  
  The new information above is for reasonable NKT members to consider, not those who think I am guilty by association or by proxy for being on the “wrong side” of the debate. Remember, no evidence has been presented. And what kind of journalist uses tweets from anonymous (now frozen) dummy accounts as the basis of articles on a website? I offered to dialogue with Indy and provide him information to confirm my innocence, but instead of clarifications there is just new spin and abuse.
  
  I welcome any communications with reasonable NKT members but will not respond to IndyHack ever again.
  - 43
    
    Khedrup on December 3, 2014 at 10:03 am
    Reply
    
    I have reached out to 2 NKT members via message and email, one person whom I do not know and the other person who I do know (and contacted via email) and consider to be a very decent person. The person who I do know stated that they will pass on the information that will help clear me of the false accusations.
    One of the people I contacted mentioned to me a line from the NKT puja that states “Now is the time to dispel false accusations against the innocent.” And sometimes even people who are innocent are people we see as “enemies”. Indeed, if an accusation about Shugden people was made that was false, it would be my duty to correct it. We cannot let our allegiances or likes and dislikes over-ride right and wrong.
    I sent my comments via FB message as it is safer than email and FB keeps a record of all the communications. Also, I did not email IH as I worry about releasing my email address to someone I do not know or trust. It is funny he says he was hurt by critiques on Twitter but yet he is not a “real person”. Whereas my identity is opened and much maligned, and he seems to have no sensitivity to the fact the things being said about me ARE against a real person- and said without evidence.
    A friend told me to see IH as a teacher, showing me how to let go of attachment to name.
    This whole thing with IH has been very instructive. I see that as time has gone on we are actually moving further AWAY from any reconciliation or at least civil negotiation regarding this controversy. It breaks my heart to think that there might not be an end to this quarrel within my lifetime. That is truly sad.
    And indeed I see now that my engagement with this issue should have been simply to clear the false homelessness accusations about Sera, counsel people who wanted to explore different teachers, and nothing else.
    It is not my concern whether people post Amazon reviews for books they haven’t read, or make false conclusions based on flimsy evidence. People will believe what they believe, and I am seeing increasingly that when it comes to religion, things are often so murky that to search for definitive answers is a waste of time.
    As for the NKT, it is up to people with enough experience of the organization to address problems within it, and as stated above I cannot use the Survivor label as I simply spent such a short time at NKT classes, and already had other teachers before attending (and I was a teenager, this was 18 years ago!).
    The dialogue and solution to the problems has to take place between the long-term ex-NKT members and the current NKT leadership. Apart from listening to people and connecting them with new teachers when they wanted, it was a mistake on my part to wade too far into the controversy. I should have stayed more on the sidelines.
    As for the Shugden dispute- Until I see a real effort at genuine dialogue and reconciliation by both sides in this Shugden dispute I will not pursue it further. It does hurt me terribly to see HHDL campaigned against so aggressively but my opinion is that this dispute has to be resolved in the Tibetan community. So I will not pursue any further comment or investigation into the Shugden mess.
    My appeal to NKT members is to consider the Twitter account information provided as an update to the article, and pursue it using IT help for further investigation. Indeed, this is what should have been done to confirm who is behind the account before dragging my name into the mud. I offer my assistance to any transparent NKT or ISC members who wish to assist with this. My friend said the info provided should be enough for an internet security expert to do some digging.
    In the end, I realized that I don’t have the stomach for this controversy. I love HHDL as he is one of my teachers, and that is enough for me and my practice. There is no point in investing further mental energy in problems that are beyond my purview to fix.
    I thank everyone for their support, including the NKT friend who helped me pass information on to clear my name. I move forward in the spirit that we are all sentient beings seeking freedom from suffering and lasting happiness, and that at the moment I don’t possess the wisdom to make this problem better.
    Thanks everyone, pro-Shugden and anti-Shugden, who stopped to think before accepting these allegations blindly. I will do the same, and believe the best in people until there is evidence to do otherwise.
    May a true end to this feud manifest soon, for the benefit of all.
44

tenpel on December 3, 2014 at 1:09 pm
Reply

A clarification to IndHack’s continued harassment against Khedrup on Twitter and his racist site

I never “confirmed” in any way that “JK lied”. I totally agree with Khedrup:

Also, it was not 15 mins to respond I think but 1hr 15 mins, there is a time difference.

Note the words I think, and the statement about there being a time difference (between countries). I think indicates that it is a hunch, but IH spins this into an elaborate deception.

IndyHack mingles and twists the facts to come up with new accusations and to continue her/his spins. In his last comment (which I deleted) s/he continued this dirty tactics and accused me of lying too.

Twitter has now a new policy where you can report such harassment and bad minded tactics:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/02/tech/social-media/twitter-troll-abuse-reporting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
https://blog.twitter.com/2014/building-a-safer-twitter

I gave a note to Twitter again with respect two new tweeds by IndyHack in which he continues to harasses Khedrup. Everybody can do that. For a while I will keep the twitter account to see what I can do to stop these dirty games.
45

Khedrup on December 3, 2014 at 1:16 pm
Reply

I also reported the memes, and wrote to Twitter via email (you do not need a twitter account to report harassment)saying they contain private photos and information. My wish is simply to correct the untruthful allegations. Twitter will investigate the memes and in the meantime gave me some tips to prevent set up of any dummy accounts using my name.
I really wish twitter would write to indy saying I am not behind @manjushriNL or the other account. They could easily verify this, but I dont know what their policy is.
any help is appreciated. As I mentioned you don’t need a twitter Account to make a complaint.
- 46
  
  tenpel on December 3, 2014 at 1:33 pm
  Reply
  
  Ok. Twitter won’t check the content if it is true or not what IH claims. Let’s see what and if they do something. Also for all those who block IndyHack and report him, IndyHack cannot see their tweeds or account anymore.
47

tenpel on December 3, 2014 at 2:26 pm
Reply

THE POST WAS UPDATED WITH A FINAL STATEMENT – THE COMMENT SECTION IS CLOSED
48

Mandarin on July 31, 2015 at 6:44 pm
Reply

Sandy Clarke is IndyHack. And he’s working for Tsem, not NKT.
Courtesy of an E-division employee.
Connect the dots, fa la la la la.

http://irvinelife.co.uk/sandy-clarke/
http://leaderonomics.com/tag/sandy-clarke
http://mystarjob.com/articles/story.aspx?file=/2015/4/4/mystarjob_careerguide/2810487&sec=mystarjob_careerguide
- 49
  
  tenpel on July 31, 2015 at 9:30 pm
  Reply
  
  What proofs do you have for these claims? Sandy might be a Tsem follower and indeed a Tsem follower could be part of the IndyHack team or the driving force behind it. But your comments only indicate vaguely something and there is no proof that Sandy is (part) of IndyHack. Do you have some true evidence?
- 50
  
  tenpel on August 1, 2015 at 10:10 am
  Reply
  
  You were not able to give any evidence for your claim. What you write could be just a part of a Kechara/Tsem opposing strategy. It is more likely that behind IndyHack is Khyenrab, Neil or Rabten. But you never know. However, your comment does not prove anything except that Sandy is a Tsem follower and a journalist.
  - 51
    
    tenpel on August 1, 2015 at 4:52 pm
    Reply
    
    PS: Indy makes frequent reference to 1970s figures from British culture; you suggested is in his 30s- it just doesn’t wash.
    
    @All: I will be quite likely offline until 23rd August from tomorrow onwards. Maybe I can approve a comment here and there but not sure. You can discuss also on Joanne’s blog: http://www.noneedfortemples.org or TAS: https://www.facebook.com/groups/talkaboutshugden/
    - 52
      
      rava on August 11, 2015 at 3:43 am
      Reply
      
      Joane’s blog is down. We need a solution to NKT and Kechara House abusing complaint systems to get web hosts to remove content. This is about freedom of speech.
      - 53
        
        tenpel on August 12, 2015 at 8:20 am
        Reply
        
        Don’t know if it is down due to complaints, is it, are you sure? Her blog seems to be still there: http://www.noneedfortemples.org/?author=1
        
        54
        
        Namkhah on August 12, 2015 at 3:49 pm
        Reply
        
        Complaints are one thing–but make no mistake–the expertise that has hacked major corporations and high level government agencies in the US and elsewhere can easily take down a humble blog page. The news discussion forum on Phayul, which discussed among other things the dolgyal cult issue and often frequented by Tsem’s minions, was permanently shut down, never to return To this end content should be backed up so that it can reincarnate if the need arises.
        See: Targeted Attacks against Tibetan and Hong Kong Groups https://citizenlab.org/2015/06/targeted-attacks-against-tibetan-and-hong-kong-groups-exploiting-cve-2014-4114/
        
        55
        
        Monique on August 15, 2015 at 5:52 pm
        
        Namkah, you seem very committed in your words and stance against Tsem. I can only assume you have done your checks and yours are not merely empty accusations. But how do you hope to stand against what you regard to be wrongs done by Tsem from a position of hiding? If you know something why not come out bravely and say it?
        
        I see you have a thing against Tsem always in your comments. You may be right but why not stand against him openly?
        
        56
        
        Dorje on August 15, 2015 at 9:11 pm
        
        Why is it that Kechara cult members using pseudonyms and fake internet identities always ask Tsem’s critics to be open and transparent when they themselves are not open and transparent? Especially as Kechara cult members have been known to harass their critics online as well as launch unsuccessful but malicious legal proceedings against them. Tsem is also not open and honest. Tsem was posing as a supporter of the Dalai Lama for years, claiming that we should all do as the Dalai Lama teaches and reject dogyal whilst all the time propagating dogyal. What is it with all these lies these people tell?
57

No name on July 31, 2015 at 10:20 pm
Reply

This could even be Iny playing more silly childish mindgames. Unsubstantiated allegations like this are hours of fun for narcissists who think the underlings are rummaging around looking for connections. If you KNOW it’s Indy, why the cryptic crap?Why not just post the proof instead of leading people on a dance. Either produce such evidence or stop posting such silly nonsense
- 58
  
  Dorje on July 31, 2015 at 11:05 pm
  Reply
  
  You are right. It’s kind of irrelevant. IH is just one part of a totally vile propaganda machine. Arguably people like pitts, booth and elliot are worse because they still try to maintain the pretense of being Dharma teachers.
  The only thing Sandy brings to the table is a NUJ membership, bad poetry, and an ability to write banalities (if Irvine Life is anything to go by.)
59

Dorje on July 31, 2015 at 10:36 pm
Reply

I liked this page:
http://www.kechara.com/support/your-say/letters/religion-isnt-useless/
- 60
  
  tenpel on July 31, 2015 at 10:44 pm
  Reply
  
  Wow. On the one hand grateful.
  On the other hand, these Tsem followers are really nasty in attacking their critics. Teachings on kindness? Well, but what about practicing it.
  Another “on the other hand”: I’ve never seen such public praises on the websites of genuine Buddhist teachers.
  Another “on the other hand”: Shoko Asahara followers also though he is genuine, compassionate etc. They even thought this AFTER the Sarin gas attacks as Jay Lifton writes in his book about the AUM cult.
  - 61
    
    No name on July 31, 2015 at 11:28 pm
    Reply
    
    It’s a cult.
    - 62
      
      Dorje on August 1, 2015 at 9:35 am
      Reply
      
      And a really unpleasant cult, at that.
      https://goodbyeshugden.wordpress.com
63

wutuewow on August 4, 2015 at 8:36 pm
Reply

Whether Sandy Clarke is, or isn’t, IndyHack, though he clearly is an independent hack ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack_writer ), it is good to know there is another rat hiding in the cupboard.

It would be unwise to take our eyes off Kechara House and Tsem. Consider briefly that they conducted ds.com while convincing the internet that they were being victimized by a rumor mill run by: a.) the NKT b.) a “lone wolf”, whose supposed identity they kept changing c.) other dharma centers that were jealous d.) employees they claimed were sexual deviants, thieves, and irredeemable liars. I heard they even convinced people like Rudy Harderwijk to give them private information from emails from critics, so they could hunt them down, while simultaneously feeding him lies about the critics which he did not check before putting on his website.

[ Rudy H. quote from previous version of http://viewonbuddhism.org/controversy-controversial-teacher-group-center-questionable.html The stuff in the parenthesis is my annotation, “All the accusations (all of them? really?) I have seen on the internet, including YouTube slide shows and emails to me personally appear (based on what Tsem Tulku’s honest students fed me) to originate from a single person (just one bad egg devadatta making a fuss) who tries to discredit him (His Eminence Supreme Master Sifu Gen Tsem Tulku, the first in a long line of Tsem Tulkus, Rinpochela) via the internet.”]

During this time, Tsem’s group, not the NKT, flooded the internet and South East Asian countries with propaganda. They flooded Buddhist forums, made their own forums, and posed as every manner of Buddhist and played every angle they could think of while pretending to be pure dharma practitioners totally uninvolved in politics on their legit twitter and facebook accounts.

My hypothesis is this: Tsem’s group is at odds with NKT because Tsem’s group is all about Tsem and NKT focuses on their doctored Buddhist texts and organizational hierarchy. Tsem sent his employees to the UK (Elena Khong, etc) to broker arrangements with the NKT because he wants to take them over. NKT is temporarily accepting Tsem’s internet scum ghostwriters help, of which Sandy is one, with the long term plan of telling Tsem to shove off because he’s not DS, he’s not a real tulku, and his intelligence insulting “teachings” bare no resemblance to KG’s, Gelug’s, or Buddhism’s, and his students are rude vindictive (profanities) according to an NKT “monk” I chatted up.
- 64
  
  Dorje on August 12, 2015 at 1:10 pm
  Reply
  
  I think Tsem’s role in propagating dogyal has always been significant, even before when he lied about his role in it. His relationship with the NKT is complex. The NKT and Kechara use each other but are in competition with and suspicious of each other. I don’t think it is possible to look at the dogyal issue and avoid tsem’s propagandising role in this. The websites and forums, publications and translations, videos and ‘panel discussions’, pendants and statues make Kechara the most prolific propagandising pro-dogyal spirit group.
  In comparison, the nkt only have their protests, fake news reports and kelsang’s few books on the subject. Not nearly as much as kechara. Kechara also has a teacher that is a recognised tulku with some charisma and connections to dogyal lamas like Trijang Choktrul.
  I can’t see how anyone would find the nkt, led by boring dekyong, a more attractive proposition.
  - 65
    
    JK on August 15, 2015 at 7:02 pm
    Reply
    
    Dear Dorje,
    
    What a tremendous compliment you paid Tsem Tulku. I am a believer of Dorjee Shugden and came to his sites from the web. Both pro and anti Shugden camps have so much to say about Tsem lama there must be some substance behind the person.
    - 66
      
      tenpel on August 15, 2015 at 7:24 pm
      Reply
      
      Dear “Monique” alias “JK”, as a rule on this blog, please stick to ONE pseudonym and don’t use different pseudonyms. This confuses the whole discussion and makes it dishonest. Thank you.
      - 67
        
        JK on August 15, 2015 at 7:47 pm
        Reply
        
        Tenpel, why so intolerant of anything and anyone who doesn’t go along with your Tsem and Shugden bashing? You seem more concerned with the number of pseudonyms a person uses more so than the duplicitous comments and material you publish.
        
        How many pseudonyms do you have anyway?
        
        68
        
        tenpel on August 16, 2015 at 6:17 am
        Reply
        
        Dear Monique alias JK. I’ve asked also other people on the blog (e.g. “no name”) to stick to one pseudonym. I also stick here to “tenpel” and don’t use another pseudonym to support my own opinion. I just ask you to do it likewise for the sake of fair, open and honest discussion – at least as much as possible. Dorje and Namkha for instance stick to their pseudonym.
        
        It’s a tactic of pro and anti ‘cult’ people to use different pseudonyms to let appear a single or fringe opinion as mainstream opinion. They do this also often on Wikipedia, there it is called ‘socket puppetry’. I don’t want this here on the blog. Please think for yourself that to ask you for this makes sense – at least if your are striving for a fair and honest discussion.
        
        How many pseudonyms do you have anyway?
        
        Here on the blog I use since years only “tenpel” which is a common mix of my last and first Tibetan monk’s name. In my eyes its not really a pseudonym, rather a nick name. The name is also linked with my personal website so that everybody knows and can see who is behind it. Quite fair, isn’t it?
        
        I am very careful with the material I publish. In case you see any inaccuracy or something that is factual wrong, please don’t hesitate to point it out. People will confirm that I corrected passages, claims or content that was pointed out to be wrong.
        
        The comment section is another matter. People can post here their opinion or what they have to say and think. Of course this should not give space for wrong allegations, harassment or slander. In case you see any such comment that is distorting the facts, untrue, misleading or slanderous or has any inappropriate content, please let me know. Due to the sometimes great amount of comments and my limited time I don’t check all of them but let them pass through very often relying also on other commentators to correct it.
        
        Now with respect to the Tsem controversy. The online battle that is going on in the internet between Tsem followers and ex Tsem people is really not my taste in any way and it messes up any good discussion on any forum. I don’t want this here on the blog and won’t give space for both sides to mess up my blog with personal and deeply vicious attacks. The spite and bad minded tactics from the Tsem follower camp is really ugly and the worst I’ve seen. Compared with it the NKT are moderate. I don’t wish for this here on the blog that’s why I am more strict if Tsem followers post here.
        
        I offered ex-Tsem people to write testimonies. But I think they should found their own forums and blogs and take responsibility to clear the situation for themselves and others if possible.
    - 69
      
      Dorje on August 15, 2015 at 9:27 pm
      Reply
      
      I wasn’t paying Tsem a compliment, just explaining his importance over the years in the online propagation of this spirit worship. As for what’s behind him, my guess would be narcissistic personality disorder coming from not having a sufficiently loving upbringing as a child. This narcissism led him to want to be an important person leading others. He learnt how to manipulate others into working for him by extending and then withdrawing affection to his needy followers. Sometimes this is enough. Sometimes he uses humiliation. Other times he has been reported to use violence, or threats or violence to get people to do as he wishes.
70

rava on August 11, 2015 at 3:48 am
Reply

Tsem Tulku’s wikipedia page was deleted. Apparently his employees were flagrantly breaking the rules by having zero sources to validate claims besides their own websites. His websites are all showing up on scam reporting services also.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tsem_Tulku
71

repyayingthekindness on August 16, 2015 at 3:09 am
Reply

It is not useful to continue discussing Tsem unless new or relevant information comes forward. As it is now, none of the recent info posted by Tsem critics online is verifiable so far. Now new anonymous posters are trying to confuse and intimidate, as Kechara’s attempts at suing critics failed.
Former Kechara members have to take personal responsibility to tell their stories if they want things to change. Unless something of substance comes forward, the conversations degrades and becomes very difficult to manage. Not worth letting this blog turn into a Tsem flame war.
- 72
  
  tenpel on August 16, 2015 at 6:19 am
  Reply
  
  I totally agree. Maybe we can close the discussion here now about the Tsem/Kechara group.
  Enough has been said. Now its good enough.
73

repyayingthekindness on August 16, 2015 at 7:44 am
Reply

Thanks for considering it. It is the best course of action as there is nothing new here and the ensuing flame wars resulting from further discussion would cheapen the tone of your blog. The info is out there, people can visit Kechara’s site themselves and observe for example, how former members are discussed – if they still decide they want to participate, that is their right. Flogging the horse does no one any good.
- 74
  
  tenpel on August 16, 2015 at 10:53 am
  Reply
  
  True. All what they wrote aimed to attack people without contributing anything constructive in any way. Just spreading aggression and spite. I stop this now.
75

tenpel on April 8, 2016 at 12:00 am
Reply

ScamAdvisor about IndyHack’s‚ website:

Notes:-
Alert ResultThe owner of the website is using a service to hide their identity
Alert ResultThis website is 1 Years old
Alert ResultThe website expected life (365 days) is relatively short.
Alert ResultThis website setup involves countries known to be high risk
Alert ResultThis website is likely to be operating from a high risk country

Analysis Details:-
Although being a new website, does not make it un-trustworthy, as with any new business you should be extra vigilant and do your own research before placing an order or making an investment.
This site is using an anonymous service – which prevents us from identifying the site owner. This can sometimes be just so that the owner does not receive spam, but be aware that many scam sites use this as a method to hide their identify. If this is an ecommerce site – we would suggest you confirm the business address with the website owners.
This site has a high risk country associated with it. This may be as you expect but care should be taken if purchasing an item from a site that you didn’t expect to be associated with the countries listed above. Certain countries are listed as being high risk because of the high percentage of online fraud or tendency to send fake/replica items.

The website has been newly registered with a short life expectancy, which follows the pattern used by many fraudulent and fake selling websites. Please be vigilant and take extra care before providing any payment information.

http://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/arebuddhistsracist.com

	tenpel on Robert Spatz, guru of the OKC…
	French Observer on Robert Spatz, guru of the OKC…
	tenpel on Robert Spatz, guru of the OKC…
	tenpel on Robert Spatz, guru of the OKC…
	tenpel on Robert Spatz, guru of the OKC…
	OKCinfo on Robert Spatz, guru of the OKC…
	OKCinfo on Robert Spatz, guru of the OKC…
	OKCinfo on Robert Spatz, guru of the OKC…

This is Jamyang Khedrup’s final statement to your activities regarding him

See also

Rate this:

Share this:

Like this:

Related